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Finally a mixer for Live! Just purchased this from your Gumroad page and am overly happy with the experience using it got the first time. I received a serial # on the Gumroad page but I suppose there is no where to input it? Was a little confused by that. As far as my critics on the mixer. I'm currently using the 48 track version. It can get a tad confusing when you have the mixer faders stacked in two vertical rows. Maybe in a future update would it be possible to be able to scroll horizontally and have all the faders in one row like traditional mixers? Would be a great feature. Also noticed a possible bug with grouping other groups, the meters just stop working period. So basically you can only groups but not group groups if that makes sense. Also, graphically speaking the mixer isn't terrible but could use a more modern look. It feels somewhat dated and a tad amature, maybe something more inline with Logics clean and simple design would definitely help. All in all I am very happy with your product and thank you for your efforts. Looking forward to future updates!

Hi Seathasky,

Thank you for you fantastic feedback.

I really appreciate you taking the time to share your comments, and suggestions.

To answer and respond:

Question: "I received a serial # on the Gumroad page, but I suppose there is no where to input it?"

Answer: There is no where to input the license key at the moment. I have include that from the beginning, so that if and when these plugins become VST/AU plugins with a license, current users like yourself will have a license key already to go. :)

Comment:
"I'm currently using the 48 track version. It can get a tad confusing when you have the mixer faders stacked in two vertical rows."

Response:
I agree on the idea of the faders in one row like a traditional mixer. I was toying between a little bit of scrolling, or a stack and no scrolling, with scaling to fit on the screen.
I opted for the stack.

I do have the intention of adding a layout shifter for the larger mixers, putting all the tracks in one row, with a toggle to go from the linear mixer view to the stacked mixer view. :)

Comment:
"....noticed a possible bug with grouping other groups, the meters just stop working period."

Response:
Thank you for spotting that. These plugins where build in Live 9, which does not have the grouping-groups function. I do have Live 10 and 11, but do not use that function, and thus did not test through that feature. I shall take a look at resolving that for the next update. I do know that there are some things in Ableton Live that are just not possible though. Thank you for spotting this. :)

Comment:
"....graphically speaking the mixer isn't terrible but could use a more modern look..."

Response:
Well.... I was going for a more retro ('dated') look. So I'm happy for your comment, because that's the feel I was going for. :)

Did you switch from the colored strips to the plain silver tracks? Is that less 'dated/amature'
Which version of Logic are you on?
I personally prefer the Logic UI to the Live UI.

I'm adding your comment to my update list, with the intention of having 'skins'/'look and feel' versions, so that you can pick the style that feels best for you and your work flow. :)

Thank you once again.

Sonic Alchemyst

Sonic Alchemyst,

Thanks for taking the time to respond and to look into some of the comments I shared. I suppose I was a tad redundant (wrote similar stuff on your gumroad update) sorry about that. Looking forward to your future updates!

To answer your questions, i'm currently using Logic Pro 10.7.5, here is a quick sample of how the design looks for that: https://i.imgur.com/fi91w9e.png

Honestly, after using your Mixer plugin for a while, the design is somewhat growing on me. Perhaps I was a tad harsh by saying "Amateur" in my initial assessment of the UI look. I suppose when it comes to art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I can see what style you were going for.

Anyways, thanks again for the response and keep of the amazing work!

I thought of another quality of life update that could be awesome but realtime updating to the mixer would be brilliant. Example: adding a midi track or audio track would automatically update the mixer, or deleting a track would remove. Not sure how difficult it is to process something like that but just something I thought about whole using your product. Either way thanks for your hard work!

Hi Again Seathasky,

Thanks for sharing the image from Logic. Yes... That's what I'm used to too. :) That's kinda why I created the more simple 'Silver' version function with less color. I'm definitely wanting to add different styling for future releases. :)

Comment: "Mixer in linear format"

Response: I've got several customers requesting a linear version, so that's definitely top of my list, with the sub-grouping meter bug that you discovered.... Thank you for that one. :)

Comment: "realtime updating to the mixer"

Response:
I'm totally in agreement on the realtime updating idea.

I've actually been looking into that from the very beginning. The closest that I've got is the manual 'Auto' feature. The extra challenge is that as I built the mixer to be custom populated with tracks, the mixer setup is completely random.

The realtime updating is definitely still on my radar. :)

Thank you for feedback once again.

Sonic Alchemyst

Hi Seathasky,

~ Ableton Group Data Issue ~

I have done a lot of testing and research on forums etc about the meters not working on groups and sub-groups.

It appears that this is an old Ableton Live issue from as back as far as when Groups were added.

When the group is folded/closed, there is no output level data being generated on the tracks inside the group', thus nothing for the meters to display. The only way for the track to generate the data is for the group to be unfolded.

I shall keep researching. Hopefully Ableton will modify the data follow to allow the generation of this data.

Sonic Alchemyst

Thanks for looking into those things. To me the issues aren't deal breakers, and I'm okay working around them if you are unable to fix them. I'm happy to hear you are working on the linear mixer update, that will be HUGE quality of life for my eyes haha. I plan on using your mixers here on out and am excited to see what features you add! Thanks again Sonic!

Awesome to see the announcement on your Gumroad page that you're working on those updates! Much appreciated sir! Super excited! Thanks again!

Hi, just bought your product as can't find any free testing version link. What my original plan was to have laptop with touch display - eg. lenovo yoga and have ableton on one virtual windows display and your mixer on second windows virtual desktop and have possibility to switch between this two virtual desktops. Issue is that mixer is show everywhere on top. So I can't use this. Are you able to to change behavior or add some configuration please?

Hi zdrlik,

Thank you for your purchase, and thank you for reaching out.

To respond in order to your comment:
There is a free version here:
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/8643/sa-m8-lite-8-track-floating-mixer

~ Virtual Desktops ~
I will email you about this an we can take a look at it together.
I use 4 monitors in the studio, and put the mixer on one of them, which in a touch screen.

Sonic Alchemyst

Hi there,

First of all, thank you for developing this tools, I really appreciate them and the ease my workflow.

I received an email communicating the update of SA-M Floating Mixer 8 16 24 32 48 Tracks to version 2.3.

I purchased SA-X 2.2.1 Floating Mixer Collection for Ableton Live (8, 16, 24, 32 or 48 tracks), which I understand that contains a SA-M which is provided with a name change (SA-MX instead), please correct me if I'm wrong.

Following the reception of the mail, I went to Gumroad's site to download the updated version, in which I only have access to the downloads for the products I've purchased, in my case SA-X 2.2.1 Floating Mixer Collection for Ableton Live (8, 16, 24, 32 or 48 tracks) and SA-TS 1.1: 48 Track Floating Track Selector for Ableton Live.

The download of the version SA-X provides with the following files:

|-SA-X32
| |-SA-FX32 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-AX32 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-VX32 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-MX32 2.2.1.amxd
|-SA-X16
| |-SA-FX16 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-MX16 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-AX16 2.2 1.amxd
| |-SA-VX16 2.2.1.amxd
|-SA-X8
| |-SA-VX8 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-FX8 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-AX8 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-MX8 2.2.1.amxd
|-SA-X24
| |-SA-AX24 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-FX24 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-MX24 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-VX24 2.2.1.amxd
|-SA-X48
| |-SA-VX48 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-MX48 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-FX48 2.2.1.amxd
| |-SA-AX48 2.2.1.amxd

I believe .amxd are from around September 2023.

Please, would you be so kind as to update the files that apply?

Thank you so much for your kind assistance.

Ulak

Hi Ulak,

Thank you for your purchase. I'm happy to hear that the plugins are assisting your work flow.

To answer your questions:
The SA-M and SAMX are 2 different products.
The SA-M has 4 Aux Sends and 4 Returns and only includes the SA-M mixer.
The SA-M has been updated to version 2.3
You purchased the SA-X Collection, which includes the MX, FX, AX and VX.
Tte X collection has 8 Aux Sends and 8 Returns.
The X Collection is currently and version 2.2.1
So the 2.2.1.amxd files are the current ones, and all the files on Gumroad are the current versions.

I'm working on SA-X 2.3 at the moment, and will have that completed in the next couple of weeks. There are some major updates and fixes in version 2.3.

Stay tuned and keep your eyes on an email coming soon. :)

Sonic Dragon

Hi Sonic Dragon :)

Thank you for your prompt clarification, I appreciate it.

I'll stay tuned.

Have a great day!

Ulak